Hi,

I have no clue what kind of haube this is. It has an officers liner and only one Kokarde. Sorry, no more pics. Can anyone help ?

Thanks in advance !

Best;
Jerry

Spanish,Swedish, South American,or customs .Rob

Hi Rob,
thanks for the input !

That must be German. Its the heraldic sign of Bremen in the north of Germany. Thats a city, so it must be rare ?

Thanks again !

Best;
Jerry

HI Jerry,

Now thats one weird haube! I have never seen it before! It has the civilian official style spike, but only 1 kokarde, and thats nt even the reich kokarde. Is the kokade's color mathces Bremen state colour? I had checked the reference books abt the possibility of a Bremen regt, but there is none, and even if there should be a bremen unit, it should be using the Prussian kokarde.

Perhaps ths is a Bremen FIRE BRIGADE haube?
Wll check again and let you know soom, I am also curious.


Cheers,
Mush

Hi Musashi,
great to have you on board !
That´s what it is ? Must be Bremen custom or police ? It´s in lack of the Bremen kokarde ?
Best;
Jerry

One thing is certain, this is a civilian helmet, nt a fighting unit helmet. Still puzzled tho.....

Hi Jerry!

Always love yr post. Yes, you are so right, I was wrong, there was a bremen kokarde! And its on yr weird haube. The site that you posted is very useful!
I just check with Stubbs book again, and you are right, the Inf Rgt BREMEN (1 Hanseat) nr 75 IX, 2 Batt is a Bremen unit and they wore " Prussian Line infantry pattern helmets and Prussian Line Eagle helmet plates were worn with the WHITE-RED-WHITE Cockade of the Hanseatic free town of Bremen, in this instance the coeckade was of Prussian pattern. No plumes in full dress."

But I think thats a civvie helmet, most likely a fireman's helmet, wll check again.

Great to have you around!

Cheers,
Mush

Musashi,
that´s black/white/red ! Such an odd thing ! No double holes, dont seems to be a fake to me. Would be great to hear your thoughts !
Thanks my friend !
Best;
Jerry

Hi Jerry,

I had asked around, and this is the answer I got, he is a veteran and respected haube collector:
"Is either police or some sort of customs. From Bremen and as a Hansiatic City still had its own duty-free port as part of the deal where he joined the North German Confederation"

But I think I wll ask a German again, perhaps he knows more.

Will let you know asap.

Cheers,
Mush

Hi Mush,

thanks for the answer, I think you are right, as always.
Great to have you as moderator here on MCF ! You are a true value for the small haube community.

Thanks again, my friend !

Best regards;
Jerry

HI Jerry,

Thank you for the nice words, well, i am actually learning here, there are so many stuffs abt haubes that I sill dont understand. Its a learning place for all of us here.

Like your Bremen haube for example, here is the final answer, i think.
This answer came from a German dealer/collector, "This is a Customs officer helmet from the City of Bremen, ca. 1900."

Thats a very interesting haube nevertheless. I guess these civilian haubes are nt well documented, people tend to focus only on the army's haubes, and even the term 'army haubes' is misleading as the paymaster haubes are nt really documented either, I think the proper term should be 'combat/fighting haubes'

These civvies haubea are somewhat overlooked by collectors, hence there arent many references around. There was even a fireman haube that looks like an artilery kugel haube! Will try to dig for the pic, hopefully I still save it somewhere.
Always great to have you around, buddy.

Cheers
Mush

Hey Jerry,

This is the haube that i was talking abt, its a Saxon Fireman Chief helmet.
It looks so much like the arty kugelhelm, it has the kugelspike! But its color its nt gilded, its nickeled or something. And there is this weird nickel colored ring around the helmet.
As a comparisson, it only has the Saxon kokarde, but no Reich kokarde, perhaps coz its a civvy helmet after all.


I dont read german, perhaps someone could help me, this is the description weitze gave:

Sachsen Pickelhaube für einen Kommandanten der Feuerwehr, um 1900. Eigentumstück, komplett mit allen Beschlägen in silberner Ausführung. Großer silberner Stern mit silbernem Wappen, um den Helm mit umlaufender Metallschiene, Teller mit Artilleriekugel, mit goldenen Sternen, gewölbte Schuppenketten mit sächsischer Offizierskokarde. Innen braunes Lederschweißband mit Seidendurchzug, grünes Seidenfutter, Größe 55 1/2, in der Helmglocke Herstellerstempel "... Grimmitzschau". Leicht getragen in gutem Zustand, selten.

But i do knw that its a Pvt puchase helmet as the description mentioned abt Eigentumstück

Hope this helps,
Mush

Now, compare the Saxon fireman chief's helmet with a common Saxon arty helmet, almost identical, excerpt for the fittings colour and that weird ring.

Hi guys,

There is this reich police wappen for sale, I dont know anything abt these civilian haubes.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=110023028126

There was this reich police/gendermerie, then rural police then there is Jerry's Bremen (state) police. Was the reich police acted something like the US Marshall?

Cheers,
Mush

Here is what the complete helmet should looks like with the wappen and here is teh description, which I cant understand.

Preußen Pickelhaube für Serganten der königlichen Polizeiverwaltung in den Provinzen um 1900. Schwerer Lederhelm in Kammerqualität, komplett mit allen Beschlägen in versilberter Ausführung. Das Helmemblem ist ein großes gekröntes "W", kleines Kreuzblatt mit Beamtenspitze, flache Schuppenketten an Knopf 91, links mit der preußischen Kokarde. Innen gelaschtes Lederfutter, Größe 56. Leicht getragen in gutem Zustand, selten

Hi Mush,

"Prussian Pickelhaube for a Sergeant of the royal police administration in the provinces, around 1900. Heavy leather helmet in unit store quality, completely with all silver fittings. The helmet emblem is a large crowned "W". Small cross on top with civil servant "Pickel". Flat chain attached to "Knopf 91", Prussian kokarde at the left. Leather liner in size 56. Scarcely worn in excellent condition. Scarce."


There was no such think like a "Reichspolizei". The "KaiserREICH" was more a confederation of independent kingdoms and small independent "Hanse"-cities http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanse . Every kingdom and small state had their own police. So you can find a lot of police hauben out there.

However great infos you have added ! Thanks !

Best regards;
Jerry

Hi Mush,
I´m in a hurry, just a short translation, sorry.

Saxonian Pickelhaube for a commander of the fire-brigade, around 1900. Private purchase. Complete with all silver fittings. Large silver star on top and silver emblem on front. Metal band around the helmet. Plate on top of the helmet with golden stars and artillery-ball on top. Curved chinscales. With Saxon officer kokarde. Brown leather sweat-band and green silk liner. Size 55 1/2, in the dome manufacturer stamp “… Grimmitzschau”. Scarcely worn in excellent condition. Scarce.

You´re right. The band is odd. What for ?
Best;
Jerry

Hi Jerry,

Thankl you so much for the translation and so sorry for the late reply.
I had emailed weitze asking him whats the ring for, he said that the metal ring is part of the protection for the wearer.

It seems that this helmet is rare, as only Saxony had it and there coulnt be many firebrigade chief around, and its trims are silver for a purpose, to avoid mix up with the arty officers, for arty officers never wore silver trimmings on their haube.
It even has a convex chinscales, just like the Field Arty oficer's, and only a single saxon kokarde, no Reich kokarde, coz due to the fact that this is purely a saxon firebrigade.
I am really confused abt these civvies haubes, but they are very interesting actually.
I m curious abt other kingdoms/state firebrigade chiefs' haube now.

Cheers,
Mush

There is a Prussian police EM haube for sale at Peter's site, its lacking the chinstrap and kokade.

http://www.germanmilitaria.com/Imperial/photos/G003856.html

Interested?

Mush