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musashi
Hi guys,

Several years agao, I saw a Russian imperial garde helemt for sale, it has the distinctive german kurassier pattern and look, but instead of a single eagle as in the Imperial German Garde du Corps or Garde Kurassier, it has a double headed eagle, symbol of the Tsarist Romanov dynasty.

Cant find the original item now, seems that its pretty rare, but managed to dig these pics of a REPRO Imperial Russian Garde a Cheval helmet, perhaps this helmet is an Enlisted Man's, it has the exact look of the Prussian EM kurassier metalhelme.

It seems that pickelhaube was picked up/copied by other countries as well, I read that the Chilean soldiers still wore their german pattern haube all the way to the 1950s, even their uniform bore a strong resemblance to the Prussian dunkelblau.

Cheers,
Mush
musashi
apparently i was wrong. The Chilean still wear the pickelhaubes even today!
These are pics of the Chilean soldiers on parade.
The Prussian/imperial german influence is obvious. Look at the uniform pattern, the shoulder epapaulettes, the parade bush (haarbuch), the 'swallow's nest' on the musician's shoulder, and like imperial german, musician wore a different colour haarbusch, red for this case.

I am surprise to know that the pickelhaube has survived!

Cheers,
Mush

apparently i was wrong. The Chilean still wear the pickelhaubes even today!
These are pics of the Chilean soldiers on parade.
The Prussian/imperial german influence is obvious. Look at the uniform pattern, the shoulder epapaulettes, the parade bush (haarbuch), the 'swallow's nest' on the musician's shoulder, and like imperial german, musician wore a different colour haarbusch, red for this case.

I am surprise to know that the pickelhaube has survived!

Cheers,
Mush
musashi
more pics
musashi
Here are some more detailed pics of the CHilean pickelhaube, look at the trumpeter, he is wearin the variation of the swallow's nest, and check out those spikes!!
The EM pattern spikes even have the ventilation holes. And they even wear Kokarden on both sides. The haubes also have the rear spine trim, chinscales etc.
It seems that the haubes these cadets wearing are the 1897 EM pattern.
I am curius as what the officers are wearing, are they wearing the officers pattern with taller spikes, dart and egg pearling etc, or the same EM pattern helmet as the cadets?

And the haubes looks like made of fiber, by the way, it even goes with camo! 00009176.gif

This is totally a new knowledge for me, surpised to know that the pickelhaube does survived.

Cheers and enjoy
Mush


perhaps those repro haubes being sold are made in Chile?? Or perhaps Swedish?

another pic

camo
musashi
Hi,

Another Russian haube that I managed to dig, nt sure what it is, but the wappen is the Tsarist double headed eagle.

Cheers,
Mush

Hi,

Another Russian haube that I managed to dig, nt sure what it is, but the wappen is the Tsarist double headed eagle.

Cheers,
Mush
musashi
Hi guys,

Managed to dig these pics, its a russian haube, but nt sure what it is.
The doube headed eagle wappen is the Tsarist emblem.

Cheers,
Mush
musashi
Now this,

I am aware of the existence of the Swedish pickelhaubes, but again, I thought they are no longer used. But I am so very wrong.

Check out these pickelhaubes in Swedish army of today! I think the haubes still use at least in the Swedish Military Band, I dont read Swedish, but it says something of Gardemusik or something.

So now we know that at least 2 countries still use haubes today, Chile and Swedish, wow, the haube was first instituted in 1842, and it died out in German in 1918, and yet, in 2006, its still alive and kicking! 19th century to 21st century. Wow! exct0006.gif

Cheers,
Mush
musashi
And this:

Mexican picklehaube! Its getting better all the time and it just occur tome that I once saw an AMERICAN haube. I think its a prototype or something and the wappen looks similar with this mexican haube.

Again, it has all the charateristic of the german pickelhaube, it also has kokarden! exct0006.gif

Will trytodig more infos abt this Mexican haube and the American haube.
Any comment, guys?

Cheers,
Mush
musashi
This Mexican haube is even more closley resembles the german haube. Look at the dart and eagle pearlings.

musashi
Here are some closeups of the chilean haube. The kokarden is so much similar with the german prussian's double ring (officer's).
The chilean wappen reminds me so much of the wurttemberg wappen.


Cheers,
Mush
musashi
A swedish pickelhaube for sale:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Swedish-M-1887-Cavalry...1QQcmdZViewItem
musashi
QUOTE(musashi @ Sep 11 2006, 01:22 AM) [snapback]312816[/snapback]

Hi guys,

Managed to dig these pics, its a russian haube, but nt sure what it is.
The doube headed eagle wappen is the Tsarist emblem.

Cheers,
Mush


Managed to find this very interesting pic, the soldiers wore the identical helmet with the one that I posted.

But this pic was taken during Tsar Nicholas I's era and the caption is:Russian Alexander II Artillery Regiment 1859

Cheers,
Mush

QUOTE(musashi @ Sep 11 2006, 01:22 AM) [snapback]312816[/snapback]

Hi guys,

Managed to dig these pics, its a russian haube, but nt sure what it is.
The doube headed eagle wappen is the Tsarist emblem.

Cheers,
Mush


Managed to find this very interesting pic, the soldiers wore the identical helmet with the one that I posted.

But this pic was taken during Tsar Nicholas I's era and the caption is:Russian Alexander II Artillery Regiment 1859

Cheers,
Mush

QUOTE(musashi @ Sep 11 2006, 01:22 AM) [snapback]312816[/snapback]

Hi guys,

Managed to dig these pics, its a russian haube, but nt sure what it is.
The doube headed eagle wappen is the Tsarist emblem.

Cheers,
Mush


Managed to find this very interesting pic, the soldiers wore the identical helmet with the one that I posted.

But this pic was taken during Tsar Nicholas I's era and the caption is:Russian Alexander II Artillery Regiment 1859

Cheers,
Mush
musashi
QUOTE(musashi @ Sep 11 2006, 01:22 AM) [snapback]312816[/snapback]

Hi guys,

Managed to dig these pics, its a russian haube, but nt sure what it is.
The doube headed eagle wappen is the Tsarist emblem.

Cheers,
Mush


Managed to find this very interesting pic, the soldiers wore the identical helmet with the one that I posted.

But this pic was taken during Tsar Nicholas I's era and the caption is:Russian Alexander II Artillery Regiment 1859

Cheers,
Mush
musashi
Wow, areal Imperial Russia doubel headed eagle metal helme!

Its stated as helmet for officers of the Empress' Chevalier Guard, remember post # 1? That one was a repro, this one, I presume, is an original.

Really impressive, and the Prussian influence is very obvious.

The asking price? Euro 15.000..... exct0006.gif

Look, it even has a Kokarde, whereas the repro doesnt has it.
de Ruyter
In a book by John Mollo 'Military Fashion' he states that the Picklehaube was almost certainly designed by Nicholas 1 of Russia, during a visit to Russia, Frederick William IV saw a prototype lying on Nicholas' desk, copied the idea and got it out faster than the 'procrastinating Russians'.

That's the history I've always thought was the correct version of events, down to the book and the fact I've never seen any other accounts that actually document the development of the Picklehaube.

dR
dragnet
thanks for this informative info, im going to keep my eyes open in the future hunt. pete.
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